JayT

Daniel, you took this pic?

2008 Honda CBR600RR Konica Minolta Special Edition - Pacific Northwest Riders

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kungfu jesus

negative.

Motorcycle Man

I wondered about that.

I would fix that ASAP beaner, it looks really bad/is really bad.

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Motorcycle Man

Bump.

Like this one:

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Unless you took that pic, your watermark shouldn't be anywhere near it. And on a photography forum doing shit like that will end up with a ghost town.

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kungfu jesus

that shot trips my head.

The Turk

where did Jayts last post go?

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beansbaxter

Nope, nowhere does it say that I took that picture.

I'm not sure what looks bad about that. It's just a picture that is being hosted by PNW Riders. Nowhere am I trying to take credit for taking that picture.

That is not my personal watermark showing that I took the picture. If I wanted to take credit for taking a picture, then I would put my name on the picture (just as I did on the Seattle IMS). The watermark on the picture is because it is being used/hosted/posted on PNW Riders.

I kinda see what you're saying with this - the premise of a photography forum is indeed just that, photography. But if Nikon releases stock media photography, and I have proper media credentials with Nikon to access and use that stock photography, then I can use that photography and use my site watermark on it. I cannot take credit for taking the picture, but if it's being used on my site, then I can add my site name to it.

There were 2 posts by JayT, and both posts were deleted by JayT.

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beansbaxter

Hey, check out Raptors and Rockets. Every single picture on the website has their watermark on it. I know for sure Raptors and Rockets did not take those pictures, but they are using their watermark on them. It's because they are hosting it and using it in whats considered fair use media. They are not trying to take credit for taking any of those pictures - because page after page of their site has hundreds of pictures all with just their site watermark, not their claim to taking the photos.

I wonder who took the pictures of the new BMW superbike coming out in 2010. The pictures are on every website, and every website is using them and adding their watermark on them. MCNews is using them and just looked around and whoa Faster and Faster is using them too, exact same pictures, but they have their own watermark on them. Neither site is taking claim to taking the picture, but both sites are hosting the pictures so they can put their watermark on them under fair use media and they are not violating any copyright laws.

2008 Ducati 696 - same picture being used on every site, each with their own watermark. Let's see here: Raptors and Rockets, MC News, AutoMotoConso, Motorcycle USA, TopSpeed - all of these websites have the exact same red 08 Duc 696 photos and all of them have their respective site watermarks on them. Fair use. No copyright laws being broken.

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beansbaxter

I totally respect everyone’s personal opinion regarding this, but can you please point out where this is bad form other than just your personal opinion?

I am totally willing to understand everyone’s point of view, but can you please provide me some rational and show me where it says I cannot use my site’s watermark when using my site’s resources to publish, host, and post a picture?

Please show me in the photography guide to the Internet where it says I am breaking copyright law?

There is already a precedent set on the Internet.

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ciao998

heheh.............................Glad to see you stick up for yourself Beans!!!

I kinda have a big mouth, but I try not to open it too much. Cause I'm usually wrong, lol.............................JOhn

ciao998

oh and my point of view.......................Will take some time to form.................

Bimjo

Daniel, it's the inference that bothers. When someone posts a picture that they personally didn't take on a website and places a watermark on it the perception on the viewers part is that whoever posted the pic took it.

While it may fall under fair use doctrine (and I'm not positive that this use does), common courtesy would dictate an attribution to the photographer or original posting site.

JMO, worth exactly what ya paid for it.

motorzen

Did you guys all file a complaint with YouTube while you were policing teh internets?

http://curiousforge.com/watermark

Motorcycle Man

+1

Stated perfectly.

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jezterr

leave my cat out of this, fucker.

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jezterr

isn't this just like posting up a news article and having to say where the source is from?

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JayT

when you upload to youtube, you're giving them rights to do anything they want to the video.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

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beansbaxter

Regarding the thread JayT mentioned in the first post of this thread, I updated it - giving credit to Honda of Japan.

I agree with you, and I always try very hard to add a "Source" at the end of my threads when I am using other's material.

I think the only times I have not done that are when I am using the stock photography issued to the press by the manufacturers. In my example of the 2008 Ducati Monster 696, I listed several websites that used their watermark on a Ducati-issued studio photograph of the bike. Only 1 of those sites also put in their article "Pictures courtesy of Ducati".

So just as I make sure that I add a Source to all threads/articles, I will also make sure I do this with the obvious manufactured issued studio photos.

Yes.

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motorzen

jezterr

motorzen is so angry.

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motorzen

LOL!

You're supposed to put your watermark on pix that are BETTER than what you could do.


I was just trying to point out the silliness of this thread. Anyone who looked at that Honda photo knows where it came from originally. Just like when someone sees a YouTube video, they know that YouTube didn't make the video. A watermark is NOT copyright. As a matter of fact, an outsider might think that Beans created this problem himself by teaching all you guys that a watermark implied ownership, at least in this community.

I know you guys post your images elsewhere on the web... do you watermark them all?

voyagernavy2004

I have a question...how does one make a watermark and apply it to their photos? Or should I create a new topic?

Motorcycle Man

All of them I might possibly want credit for.

Remember the pics eric took of the new R1 and the trouble over the guy cropping out his watermark?
How is this different?

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jezterr

see, as a photographer who released his rights to the photos, ala the photographer for honda with these pics, he doesn't really have much say as to how the pictures are handled and what happened to them.

i'm just thinking of the possible and very likely instance when someone's photo is "borrowed," watermarked and posted publicly, especially this being a photography forum, how they would take that personally.

ie eric's incident with the r1. you're browsing the internet, then you come across one of your own pictures, and low and behold, there's a big ass watermark on it that's not yours. how's that affect you? you didn't release the rights to the photo to anyone, and you applied the watermark to protect against such things. so just because you posted it on the internet, it's free for anyone to use? i don't think so.

there's different ways to do it, but photoshop is your friend. probably deserves its own thread.

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